Are these characters strengths in the right order?

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Are these characters strengths in the right order?
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Dec 19 2013, 07:02 AM Post #61
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Terra Crisis XII Dec 19 2013, 06:57 AM Ssj3vegito96 Dec 19 2013, 06:54 AM Idk what you guys are debating anymore lol. Someone want to update me? its more or less all connected, Me and Ghost are debating one of his theories and Ghost and Sir brofist had there debate going but then Sir brofist and ssjvegito branched out and later darth descended down lol Thanks. Well if it matters at all, goten did imply that teen baby>super buu. So baby vegeta should be stronger than buuhan right? Buuhan is less than 2x base super buu after all. Btw, did you guys figure what to make of how strong base goku against rildo was?
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Terra Crisis XII	Dec 19 2013, 07:08 AM Post #62
Posts: 64 Group: Member Member #10,573 Joined: December 14, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball, Attack On Titan, Berserk, Magi Favourite Manga AOT, Kokoro Connect, Sword Art Online	Ssj3vegito96 Dec 19 2013, 07:02 AM Terra Crisis XII Dec 19 2013, 06:57 AM Ssj3vegito96 Dec 19 2013, 06:54 AM Idk what you guys are debating anymore lol. Someone want to update me? its more or less all connected, Me and Ghost are debating one of his theories and Ghost and Sir brofist had there debate going but then Sir brofist and ssjvegito branched out and later darth descended down lol Thanks. Well if it matters at all, goten did imply that teen baby>super buu. So baby vegeta should be stronger than buuhan right? Buuhan is less than 2x base super buu after all. Btw, did you guys figure what to make of how strong base goku against rildo was? haha i honestly didnt notice how much the topic changed, i came in defending your quote about how buuhan is stronger than kid buu



+ Pyrus	Dec 19 2013, 07:15 AM Post #63
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ssj3vegito96 Dec 19 2013, 07:02 AM Terra Crisis XII Dec 19 2013, 06:57 AM Ssj3vegito96 Dec 19 2013, 06:54 AM Idk what you guys are debating anymore lol. Someone want to update me? its more or less all connected, Me and Ghost are debating one of his theories and Ghost and Sir brofist had there debate going but then Sir brofist and ssjvegito branched out and later darth descended down lol Thanks. Well if it matters at all, goten did imply that teen baby>super buu. So baby vegeta should be stronger than buuhan right? Buuhan is less than 2x base super buu after all. Btw, did you guys figure what to make of how strong base goku against rildo was? Still thinking on it. Base Goku has to be around Boohan strength by the Baby fight due to his fight with Gohan-Baby. Gohan was more or less the same strength at that point that he was in the Boo arc, and as a Super Saiyan he was on Base Goku's level, if even weaker. Before that, if one wants to believe Rild was only stronger than Good Boo, then Goku would've had to have made a gigantic leap from fighting Redjic to fighting Rild, and then from Rild to fighting Baby. Base Goku (@Baby) >= SSj Gohan-Baby > Boohan > Bootenks >=< Base Gohan (@Baby) >= Fantastic Gohan (Boo) > Evil Boo > Pure Boo > Fat Boo > Base Goku (@Rild) > Rild > Good Boo > Mega Cannon Sigma > Sigmas > SSj Goku (@Redjic)
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Crow	Dec 19 2013, 07:47 AM Post #64
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	@Tera, your forgetting this is still a show, right, and so they want to save ssj3 for the last battle to make it more dramatic, even though gokus used ssj3 before, it's just not that nesseary here where you can't beat buu anyway, that's how I think they saw it when it was being made, but yes yours logically makes more sense so I give you that, but you can't always go by that because there's heaps of other stuff in the series where they don't just do the logical thing where you yell at them to do, well only a few in dbz, but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say. I think your right, but your also not in a way. The mystic gohan thing, well I don't consider them to be their true strengths, as they actually all seem to be about the same, even piccolo, because it makes no sense if they are, and the only thing goku say is you puch like him, which dosent mean power, as gokus never fought mystic gohan, so it's just the way he pushes is like gohan.



+ Pyrus	Dec 19 2013, 07:48 AM Post #65
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	He says they're the same strength in the original version.
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Crow	Dec 19 2013, 07:58 AM Post #66
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	Well I think the English version saw that was weird and fixed that. Since it dosent say it now. They are allowed to change it, and think they do it for a good reason. But that is a good point, it's just why would they change it then?



+ Pyrus	Dec 19 2013, 08:37 AM Post #67
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Because they change whatever they want regardless if it makes sense or not. It's still not the accurate version.
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Terra Crisis XII	Dec 19 2013, 03:13 PM Post #68
Posts: 64 Group: Member Member #10,573 Joined: December 14, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball, Attack On Titan, Berserk, Magi Favourite Manga AOT, Kokoro Connect, Sword Art Online	Ghostoku Dec 19 2013, 07:47 AM @Tera, your forgetting this is still a show, right, and so they want to save ssj3 for the last battle to make it more dramatic, even though gokus used ssj3 before, it's just not that nesseary here where you can't beat buu anyway, that's how I think they saw it when it was being made, but yes yours logically makes more sense so I give you that, but you can't always go by that because there's heaps of other stuff in the series where they don't just do the logical thing where you yell at them to do, well only a few in dbz, but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say. I think your right, but your also not in a way. The mystic gohan thing, well I don't consider them to be their true strengths, as they actually all seem to be about the same, even piccolo, because it makes no sense if they are, and the only thing goku say is you puch like him, which dosent mean power, as gokus never fought mystic gohan, so it's just the way he pushes is like gohan. it was unnecessary so he didn't use ssj3 cause he couldn't beat buu anyway and they wanted to save the best for last? Bro that sounds like a straight cop out, cause going by the show Goku used it against Buutenks knowing he couldn't win when he was trying to use the potara with gohan, Why did that scenario deem worthy of the ssj3 level, 1. Goku couldn't win obviously and 2. It wasn't the last battle between them, so what made that so special he was still getting his a$$ kicked. Dude i get what you're saying, but you cant say stuff like that as if you knew what the animators of toei animation were thinking all we have is the show and it doesn't make sense, No matter how you look at it, Goku is not stronger than Super Buu. Goku even told Fat Buu a stronger fighter than himself was going to challenge Buu in 2 days. Now why would goku say a stronger fighter if he wasn't? Btw he was referring to SSJ Gotenks because he was unaware of gotenks's ssj3, so ssj gotenks >= ssj3 goku, Then SSJ Gotenks got stomped by super buu so right there is more proof that Super Buu surpasses SSJ3 Goku. Your only leverage in this debate is the statement goku made to Buucolo and that was mistranslated, you can even check the original jap dub, You can't use false info as evidence for your claims. Anime wise goku contradicted himself multiple times. The fact still remains that Goku was scared shtless to fight Super Buu outside his body but then was all for fighting Kid Buu. And dude stop changing your mind one minute you're saying goku didn't use ssj3 because of vegetas pride now you're saying it's because they wanted to save the best for last which is bs, the best for last would have been gohan vs super buu or vegito vs buuhan imo. Plus as I stated earlier he used ssj 3 against buutenks. You even contradicted yourself, you said we can't always use logic cause they always do illogical things, but you're standing by goku's false statement he made about being able to beat buucolo Meaning logically goku is claiming he is stronger right? So you can go by logic but I can't? Naw bro that's not how it works lol I agree about the Mystic Gohan not being at the right power, But i only brought that up because you said SSj Goku and Vegeta were doing ok against Super Buu when they werent, Super Buu wasnt taking the fight serious in any way. He let them do all that stuff to him on purpose. Bro I've proved you wrong on every point you've made and with legit reasoning, you've used false info and changed your points multiple times and contradicted yourself. If you can't see the writing on the wall at this point you're trolling dude, come on haha Edited by Terra Crisis XII*, Dec 19 2013, 04:40 PM.



+ Pyrus	Dec 19 2013, 07:11 PM Post #69
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Not to be a nitpick, but it is literally stated that Ghost Gohan, Ghost Gotenks, and Ghost Piccolo have the same strength as their live counterparts, both by Goku in the Japanese anime and their bio in Daizenshuu 7. Daizenshuu 7 Their power is on par with their real counterparts, and even when defeated they immediately revive. ^[1] ^[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20111103160917/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=03&id=character_d-f#fake_warriors] Edited by Pyrus, Dec 19 2013, 07:11 PM.
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Crow	Dec 20 2013, 12:41 AM Post #70
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	@Tera,Ok then, if you think I shouldn't be trying to think what the animators are trying to do, fine I'll leave that out.( even though I think you should consider these things, but your getting a bit upset or somthing, so whatever, won't argue with you there), and I'll just go back to logic. Firstly, You keep saying goku didn't use ssj3 because there's no point, he's to strong, hows that proving me wrong? Since you said why wouldn't he go ssj3 to my theory of, there's no point because he can't kill him in buu, what you said to that was, wouldn't he go ssj3 just to atleast try? Well I can say the same thing for your theory, why wouldn't he go ssj3 to atleast try, you just contradicted yourself there. My theorie is as reasonable as yours. Secondly, goku told a stronger fighter than himself would come to buu to buu right? Which then repeated to piccolo telling him what he told buu, he didn't directly tell piccolo getenks is stronger than him, he just said that to buu because he can say anything to him to get him exited and to possibly stop him from killing people if he has somthing to look forward to, telling buu, " there's a weaker fighter than me coming to fight you" dosent really sound that great. There also an instance where there looking at gotenks ssj3, and supreme Kai asks him, " is gotenks stronger than you goku?", a direct question of power, and goku just brushes it off by telling him that he can go ssj3, but these boys have done it at such a young age, he didn't even tell Kai, what's that telling ya? Common dude, don't you think they would have made it more clear, it's goku, he said he's all for the younger generation because he shouldn't be there, that's why he said a stronger fighter was coming, and we all know he was supressed in the fat buu fight, mabye not exactly supressed but not trying, come on dude you saw the fight. Thirdly, I don't care what the other translation says, where talking about this one they changed heaps of parts for a reason, such as the part where there fighting the ghost fighters, because if that completely did not make sense the way they had it, ok. Also, Goku was not scared sh!#less to fight super, what the he'll, he wasn't even scared, I told you why I think goku suggested fusion, so stop saying you've proven me wrong, I'm not saying that to you, these are just opinions, you keep saying your opinion like it's fact. you can interpret it a hundred ways, I just find this the most logical, but you can't see that, and I don't mind. There's more but this is already way too long, and we should probably just agree to disagree at this stage.



Terra Crisis XII	Dec 20 2013, 02:26 AM Post #71
Posts: 64 Group: Member Member #10,573 Joined: December 14, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball, Attack On Titan, Berserk, Magi Favourite Manga AOT, Kokoro Connect, Sword Art Online	Ghostoku Dec 20 2013, 12:41 AM @Tera,Ok then, if you think I shouldn't be trying to think what the animators are trying to do, fine I'll leave that out.( even though I think you should consider these things, but your getting a bit upset or somthing, so whatever, won't argue with you there), and I'll just go back to logic. Firstly, You keep saying goku didn't use ssj3 because there's no point, he's to strong, hows that proving me wrong? Since you said why wouldn't he go ssj3 to my theory of, there's no point because he can't kill him in buu, what you said to that was, wouldn't he go ssj3 just to atleast try? Well I can say the same thing for your theory, why wouldn't he go ssj3 to atleast try, you just contradicted yourself there. My theorie is as reasonable as yours. Secondly, goku told a stronger fighter than himself would come to buu to buu right? Which then repeated to piccolo telling him what he told buu, he didn't directly tell piccolo getenks is stronger than him, he just said that to buu because he can say anything to him to get him exited and to possibly stop him from killing people if he has somthing to look forward to, telling buu, " there's a weaker fighter than me coming to fight you" dosent really sound that great. There also an instance where there looking at gotenks ssj3, and supreme Kai asks him, " is gotenks stronger than you goku?", a direct question of power, and goku just brushes it off by telling him that he can go ssj3, but these boys have done it at such a young age, he didn't even tell Kai, what's that telling ya? Common dude, don't you think they would have made it more clear, it's goku, he said he's all for the younger generation because he shouldn't be there, that's why he said a stronger fighter was coming, and we all know he was supressed in the fat buu fight, mabye not exactly supressed but not trying, come on dude you saw the fight. Thirdly, I don't care what the other translation says, where talking about this one they changed heaps of parts for a reason, such as the part where there fighting the ghost fighters, because if that completely did not make sense the way they had it, ok. Also, Goku was not scared sh!#less to fight super, what the he'll, he wasn't even scared, I told you why I think goku suggested fusion, so stop saying you've proven me wrong, I'm not saying that to you, these are just opinions, you keep saying your opinion like it's fact. you can interpret it a hundred ways, I just find this the most logical, but you can't see that, and I don't mind. There's more but this is already way too long, and we should probably just agree to disagree at this stage. I've put "in my opinion" most of the time so I hardly see has that's a fact, and I wasn't getting upset you just kept on repeating the same thing, also I have no idea how to respond to your second half because I couldn't understand any of it, the way you worded it was confusing as crap lol, look bro you can believe what you want, because toriyama himself stated that gohan was the strongest non fused character by the end of the buu saga, yet SSJ goku took him on? Also that supreme kai statement can go both ways, he didn't say he was weaker and he didn't say he was stronger, he said "well I can do it too" that didn't answer the question. How about this, nobodies right or wrong, lets just agree that power levels in dbz all BULL SH*T. how's that? Haha



Crow	Dec 20 2013, 03:00 AM Post #72
Posts: 446 Group: Member Member #8,668 Joined: December 10, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z Dragonball	Sorry if I worded it badly, but yeah we should just agree that it's pretty messed up, and our opinions of trying to make sense out of it are different.



+ Pyrus	Dec 20 2013, 04:03 AM Post #73
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: Secondly, goku told a stronger fighter than himself would come to buu to buu right? Which then repeated to piccolo telling him what he told buu, he didn't directly tell piccolo getenks is stronger than him, he just said that to buu because he can say anything to him to get him exited and to possibly stop him from killing people if he has somthing to look forward to, telling buu, " there's a weaker fighter than me coming to fight you" dosent really sound that great. All he said to Boo was that a strong fighter would come to fight him. I don't have access to my subbed episodes right now so I'm going off memory. Quote: There also an instance where there looking at gotenks ssj3, and supreme Kai asks him, " is gotenks stronger than you goku?", a direct question of power, and goku just brushes it off by telling him that he can go ssj3, but these boys have done it at such a young age, he didn't even tell Kai, what's that telling ya? Common dude, don't you think they would have made it more clear, it's goku, he said he's all for the younger generation because he shouldn't be there, that's why he said a stronger fighter was coming, and we all know he was supressed in the fat buu fight, mabye not exactly supressed but not trying, come on dude you saw the fight. That's also merely a dub line. Kaioshin never asks Goku this in the original version. http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8571941&t=8385977 Quote: Thirdly, I don't care what the other translation says, where talking about this one they changed heaps of parts for a reason, such as the part where there fighting the ghost fighters, because if that completely did not make sense the way they had it, ok. So you're purposely using an inaccurate translation...because why exactly? Because it fits your belief? Quote: Also, Goku was not scared sh!#less to fight super, what the he'll, he wasn't even scared, I told you why I think goku suggested fusion, He was sweating and scolded Vegeta for crushing the Potara. He told Vegeta twice that they'd be scraped off Boo's boot if they didn't have any fusion. That's a pretty clear message that Goku does not want to fight Evil Boo. Though I'll probably have to get the episodes in question because I'm using my manga knowledge; I haven't had to argue the anime in a long time.
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